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Mark-Julius Pikat (1051954)

Could you consider adding "Visible on TSW2 Window" to map visibility options?

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Mark-Julius Pikat
Head of VACC Estonia
mark-julius.pikat [at] estvacc.org

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Patrick Weineis (1244867)

hey juha

thanks for the great update.
2 questions

is there a reason why a tag is shown me when plane is squawk stby and Push/taxi while option GroundLabel_Filter_Stby is active.
second, for the 2nd screen, wanted to activate this 2, SCTDATA:REGIONS\Groundlayout LOWW and SCTDATA:Freetext\LOWW Grounddesignator.
freetext is working fine but having problems with the Regions.
SCTFILEPATH:..\..\..\LOVV-LOVV-Sectorfile_* is also set, which should be correct.
this is the full path D:\EuroScope\VACC-Austria\LOVV\Plugins\Groundradar , the dll is in the groundradar folder and the sct in VACC-Austria folder

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second question already answered internally
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Hongye Rudi Zhang (1326158)

Hi Juha,

i found another small bug. 

I set "Window_APP=1,1600,650,400,300" in setting, and in radar that APP windows shows nothing. after I reclick APP bottom then it comes back.

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Juha Holopainen
On 22/01/2022 at 13:52, Phil Hauf said:

regarding the missing inbounds inside the TTT List I have some images here. Latest beta is installed.

https://prnt.sc/26hf783

https://prnt.sc/26hf7my

https://prnt.sc/26hf95w

Today it happened always around the 4 NM final.

Likely related to the closely separated parallel runways. You'll probably find the missing ones in the list for 25C in that case. There's also a related bug that'll make matters worse for the 07 direction (tracks on short final to 07R may be found in the list for either 07L or 07C). I'll organize the code around to better handle the close runways and fix the other bug.

19 hours ago, Patrick Weineis said:

is there a reason why a tag is shown me when plane is squawk stby and Push/taxi while option GroundLabel_Filter_Stby is active

Could be either the "Quick Look" function active (i.e. mouse cursor over the top menu area) or the track having a non-zero groundspeed. Either of those will override the filters by design.

14 hours ago, Hongye Rudi Zhang said:

I set "Window_APP=1,1600,650,400,300" in setting, and in radar that APP windows shows nothing. after I reclick APP bottom then it comes back

With the APP Window background being drawn in memory now, it needs a specific command to draw it. That seems to be missing when opening the window using the settings file.

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Hongye Rudi Zhang (1326158)
7 minutes ago, Juha Holopainen said:

With the APP Window background being drawn in memory now, it needs a specific command to draw it. That seems to be missing when opening the window using the settings file.

yeah it can be happend, what should i do or what can i provide you to solve that problem?

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Juha Holopainen

It's just a missing instruction in the code. Any event that leads to a change in the APP window background now needs to notify the window to update itself. The code that opens the window based on settings file data did not contain that instruction, and so the window background displayed the previous state - which, as the window had not been open before, was nothing at all.

Until the code is updated in the next release, any other action that sends the necessary update command needs to be done in order to view the window background. These would include for example clicking "APP" in the Window menu as you did, zooming/resizing/panning the APP window, activating/deactivating maps that draw on that window or adjusting some of the display-related settings for the window in the Settings menu.

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Adrian Bjerke (1339353)

Would it be possible for GRplugin to draw maps the same way EuroScope does it?

We are using Aeronav GNG for our sectorfiles, where creation of airspace lines are done automatically but often in a wierd order. It works well for EuroScope, but not for the groundplugin.

Example of coordinates:

CTR - ENGM                               N060.01.54.946 E011.00.16.024 N060.00.47.000 E011.08.04.000 COLOR_TWR-CTR
                                         N060.22.43.211 E011.12.19.529 N060.22.16.000 E011.15.25.000 COLOR_TWR-CTR
                                         N060.00.47.000 E011.08.04.000 N060.12.18.000 E011.17.31.000 COLOR_TWR-CTR
                                         N060.12.18.000 E011.17.31.000 N060.18.00.000 E011.17.00.000 COLOR_TWR-CTR
                                         N060.18.00.000 E011.17.00.000 N060.22.16.000 E011.15.25.000 COLOR_TWR-CTR
                                         N060.23.10.000 E011.09.17.000 N060.22.43.211 E011.12.19.529 COLOR_TWR-CTR
                                         N060.01.54.946 E011.00.16.024 N060.02.40.000 E010.54.53.000 COLOR_TWR-CTR
                                         N060.02.40.000 E010.54.53.000 N060.04.00.000 E010.54.00.000 COLOR_TWR-CTR
                                         N060.04.00.000 E010.54.00.000 N060.15.25.000 E010.52.07.000 COLOR_TWR-CTR
                                         N060.23.10.000 E011.09.17.000 N060.20.00.000 E011.00.00.000 COLOR_TWR-CTR
                                         N060.20.00.000 E011.00.00.000 N060.15.25.000 E010.52.07.000 COLOR_TWR-CTR


Example on how GRplugin handles it (GRplugin left, ES right)

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Juha Holopainen

If the airspace name would be at the start of every line (as in the SCT file syntax), the polygon would be drawn as expected. For all items where a line contains only coordinates (GEO items are like that by design, other types apparently can be like that as well), the points as reported to plugins lead to unintended results. The next version will bring additional types to be readable from a defined sector file like the GEO and REGION items are now. This should make it possible to address issues like this, although I would much prefer to be provided correct data by EuroScope rather than having to parse sector files myself to get it...

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Adrian Bjerke (1339353)

This specific entry is placed in the ARTCC Low.
I can not do anything with how AeroNAV GNG outputs the results, Aeronav has the option to automatically generate these airspace displays and I tend to keep as many of them as possible to be "drawn/made" automatically, such as when there is airspace changes I only need to change the actual airspace definitions and the displays get updated accordingly. One of the many advantages of Aeronav.

For me, it is not any importance that GRplugin supports this yet, as I only have 4 airspace maps defined and those are already manually entered with coordinates in the maps file, however it would be a nice feature if it supported the Aeronav format in the future. :)

Adrian Bjerke
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Mark-Julius Pikat (1051954)
On 21/01/2022 at 19:53, Mark-Julius Pikat said:

Could you consider adding "Visible on TSW2 Window" to map visibility options?

Also regarding this request, would it be possible to change background color for TSW2 window just like for APP window at the moment?

Color_Background also changed to Color_APP_Background.

EDIT bug discovery:

  • After reloading GRplugin settings, TSW2 will not show any map
  • "GroundLabel_Filter_Parked=1" does not filter aicraft if "System_State_Parked" is custom Tested again, it worked
  • "List_Outbound" setting doesn't do anything
    List_Outbound_DefPos=1704,45
    [EETN]
    List_Outbound:*,1
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3x bug discovery

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mark-julius.pikat [at] estvacc.org

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Roald Strangstadstuen (1425746)

Is it possible for departure timer list to trigger timer on say (400ft per min climb gradient or 100ft above aerodrome elevation, whichever is first), insted of groundspeed, so it corresponnds better to wake separation?

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Bernardo Reis (1096507)
2 hours ago, Roald Strangstadstuen said:

Is it possible for departure timer list to trigger timer on say (400ft per min climb gradient or 100ft above aerodrome elevation, whichever is first), insted of groundspeed, so it corresponnds better to wake separation?

The wake separation is normally measured from the start of the takeoff roll. You don't wait x minutes after number 1 rotates do issue takeoff clearance to the second aircraft.

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Juha Holopainen
19 hours ago, Mark-Julius Pikat said:
  • After reloading GRplugin settings, TSW2 will not show any map
  • "List_Outbound" setting doesn't do anything

I cannot replicate the first, so either I'm doing something different than you are, or whatever caused it is already fixed in the development code. The List_Outbound setting works fine if you use the "=" character to separate the setting name and value. I will make the plugin flag a setting line like this as an error.

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Jonathan Fong (1308253)

Out of curiosity, are there plans to add the SCTDATA function to the TopSky plugin as well? The Iceland sector file has many maps of SIDs, STARs, etc. currently constructed manually of dozens of "LINE" commands, and it would be great to use the SCTDATA function to automate that and make updating it easier.

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Bernardo Reis (1096507)
On 26/01/2022 at 16:13, Juha Holopainen said:

The List_Outbound setting works fine if you use the "=" character to separate the setting name and value. I will make the plugin flag a setting line like this as an error.

However, it doesn't seem to go to the position you define:

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List_Inbound=*,2,1060,565
List_Outbound=*,2,1060,555


 

The Inbound list is correctly positioned on the screen while the Outbound list defaults to the centre of the screen.

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Juha Holopainen
On 01/02/2022 at 14:31, Bernardo Reis said:

However, it doesn't seem to go to the position you define:

List_Inbound=*,2,1060,565
List_Outbound=*,2,1060,555

The Inbound list is correctly positioned on the screen while the Outbound list defaults to the centre of the screen.

The result of testing those exact settings is that the lists open at the expected positions, so there's something else going on with your setup that's affecting the outcome.

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Hongye Rudi Zhang (1326158)

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The headline seems to be wrong? Maybe it's a known bug 🤣

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Juha Holopainen

No, I didn't even remember there was a feature like that, but I'll make it point the right way.

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Weiqi Yu (1496934)

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Approach Path is grey here, is there anything I should configure to use it?

 

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Please disregard, just found that I need to add 

AppPath=Icao:Name:EndLat:EndLon:InbdCrsT:Direction:EndAlt:VertAngle

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